And that is, well, isn't that too young to sort of be dealing with these issues? Of course, we tend not to say that to a 12-year-old boy who tells his mom or dad that he has a crush on Julie or, you know, that he's really liking girls now. You know, we tend not to say, well, you're so young, how do you know? It's probably just a phase. So, there is a sort of a knee-jerk discomfort that a lot of us have with the idea that someone would know this at 12 or 13. When in reality, if you talk to a gay man, you know, many of them looking back will say, you know, I noticed my same sex attraction, you know, at 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 in that ballpark. MARTIN: Is there any actual data on this point of whether kids are in fact self-identifying earlier or is this all anecdotal? But it was a different time and you just didn't come out until much later. You know, recent studies are showing that kids are self-identifying as gay anywhere from 13 to 16. You know, there really - there are two realities going on here. One is, you know, kids are coming out younger, and some are able, miraculously, to have a normal adolescence.
